seeing, i just what we have seen in the last few minutes. it's the first videotape we have seen from that final full dress rehearsal that michael jackson had on tuesday night. i have talked to a number of people, his choreographer and artistic director and the music supervisor as well as an official from aeg, all of whom say they did not see anything amiss with michael jackson in those final hours, those final days, in which we were working very closely with him. this is a tape which no doubt will be watched very carefully by those that love michael jackson. others might say that he looked thin. we don't really see many dance moves. so it is hard to get a sense of what kind of shape michael jackson really was in but the tape speaks for itself. kyra, at this point, it is the first glimpse we have really seen. they have a lot more hours of footage. more than 100 hours of documentary footage of the rehearsal, the dress rehearsals

and a lot of the production elements going into making the show. that's something that aeg live certainly hopes to be able to produce something with in the future. kyra? >> it is interesting what you just said about looking at the video. anderson, i was listening to everybody here in the "newsroom" as it was coming across because i got word this was exclusive to us. some people were saying, wow, he looks so good, he is dancing, his voice sounds good. other people were saying, wow, he is moving slowly, he looks pale, looks like he is out of breath. i can imagine that everybody is going to look at this video and scrutinizing every ounce of it. it is sad and heartbreaking to see this. michael jackson on stage just two days before he died. >> also, keep in mind, this is a rehearsal. so it is not an actual performance. so there are those who will argue, well, look, he was in rehearsal mode, not in pull performance mode. take that for what it's worth.

the people i spoke to said, look, he was getting up to speed. his voice was opening up. they say some of the last words he spoke to them the night before he died on wednesday night, the night after this tape was taken with words of enthusiasm about what lay ahead, feeling good about the concerts, feeling good about the performances. they have a vested interest in getting this tape out there and having people and drumming up interests that they can later on sell. watched closely by an awful lot of people, kyra. >> anderson, are you live from the staples center? >> reporter: we will be live from los angeles with more on this tape and extensive interviews with michael jackson's choreographer with the col lap bore ray tore on these shows as well as the music director. we will talk to an official from aeg, randy phillips.

a lot of other details about the final moments that they had with michael jackson. that will be tonight. >> 10:00 eastern time. appreciate it so much. that does it for us. rick sanchez takes it from here. where is a missing u.s. soldier? here is the bad news. it appears he has been captured by lethal insurgents. what will happen to the first u.s. soldier captured in afghanistan since the war began? meanwhile, a massive marine assault is now underway to drive out the taliban. can we do what the russians couldn't? >> i wanted generally to apologize to every one of you all for letting you down. >> sanford watch, will the

scandal-ridden governor resign amid reports his wife has now left town. the dea is now in the mix. what federal drug agents want to know about michael jackson's prescription drug abuse. live throughout the hour from neverland as your national conversation for thursday, july 2nd, 2009, starlts right now. i am rick sanchez with the next generation of news. this is a conversation, not a speech. it is your turn to get involved. before we do anything else, i want to see if it is possible for us to be able to replay some of that video we received moments ago. the reason i want to show you is this video came in. i guess we are going to go ahead and roll it now. let's watch it. ♪

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all i want to say is that they don't really care about us ♪ >> hold for applause, hold for applause. >> it is amazing to look at. that is exactly what people would have seen had michael jackson lived. it is the last performance of michael jackson, just two days, in fact, before he passed on. a lot of news coming out on the michael jackson fund on this day. we are going to be covering all of it for you. i should tell you, the reason we got that video. we hadn't planned to show you this at this point in this newscast. the reason we are able to show you this is because it was made exclusive to cnn. it was one of those deals where when it became available, we would turn it around and let you see it for yourself.

if we get a chance, stand by, we might be able to reroll that, rerack that and led you see that video one more time. in the meantime, the story that we had planned to begin this newscast with, the story that is no doubt the most important story as far as the united states goes and its foreign policy and our fighting men and women, it is taking plays in afghanistan. 4,000 marines are right now fighting the taliban in an assault that is being compared to something like during the vietnam war with full use of helicopters. we are also hearing that a u.s. soldier has been taken by the taliban. in fact, he has been taken by a member of a group in the taliban that has very close links with al qaeda. this thing could get ugly. we are going to be following all parts of this story and will bring you those developments by taking you into afghanistan when we come back. it's important. stay with us. we will be right back. ate - the gmc 72-hour sale.

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we are already getting a lot of reaction to that video. these are people who just watched that video. some of them are saying they found it to be a little eery. they are saying he looked good. he sounds like himself and he has never really been thick. oh, my god, oh, my god, that michael jackson video gave me the chills. he sure looked good to me. michael is weighing in on the situation in south carolina. we are going to be following that extensively during this newscast with the governor and his wife. sanford is demonstrating presidential qualities,

decisiveness, good judgment, solid character, jenny sanford, that is. >> i told you moments ago that we are going to be taking you into afghanistan, we have two of our reporters, two of our correspondents who are poised to bring us the latest details on what's going on with our troops. for some reason, we are having a problem making that signal work. stand by. we are going to be taking you there in a minute. in the meantime, an important development i need to share with you regarding this michael jackson situation. the death investigation has now taken a more serious turn, not unexpected but serious with word that now the dea, drug enforcement agents, are now involved in the investigation. drew griffin, he is on cnn's special investigations unit, joining us live now from los angeles, to fill us in. drew, not surprising when you consider the dea has access. local and state authorities may find some stone walls. what does this mean to this investigation. >> reporter: i think we could

interpret this as becoming more focused on medications and prescriptions. the reason the de aechlt has been called in to help in this death investigation is now to track the drugs that were being supplied or may have been supplied to michael jackson, which doctors, what drugs, and the quantities of drugs. >> i don't get it. what can they do that cops in los angeles couldn't do for themselves and why? >> well, the dea has power to look at these. there is a lot of regulations and rules regarding your medical records in the united states. the dea registers physicians. they register these drugs. they can keep track of the flow of those drugs. it's called the drug diversion unit. this doesn't deal with cocaine and marijuana. this deals with the scheduled drugs that are prescription drugs that also need to be monitored by the dea, because they have been shown to be abused in the past. >> so it sounds like it is access, they would be able to have easier access. >> let me ask you this. a lot of people are watching

this conversation between you and i. the fact that the dea is now involved in this investigation, does it mean that we should take from that that it's more likely that michael jackson was suffering from some kind of prescription drug abuse? >> i think it means there is a possibility of that. certainly, from the friends who have been coming forward and the history that he with have seen of this entertainer, that there is a history of that. even looking at that video of what appears to be, to me, a pretty healthy 50-year-old guy dancing around on stage, it doesn't show any immediate science. we also know he took that health screening by the entertainment group and was pronounced to be in pretty good darn health. i think it is pointing that way, rick. until this procedure is completely done, the medical examiner releases the results, we are really not going to know. >> el with, well, i'll tell you,

it comes into play with what is going on now. we've just seen this video. did you get a chance to see it, by the way? >> yes. i was glued watching it. >> a lot of people don't know this. if you look thin on tv, you are really thin. tv don't make you look thin. >> that guy looked very, very skinny. he has always looked skinny. when you think back at that trial where he is shuffling into the trial and a week later, he is dancing on top of the suv. this guy, apparently, can turn it on and off. i don't think you can read a whole lot into the fact that he is dancing up on stage. he does look thin. he has always looked thin to me. so what does this video prove. this video proofs that two days before he died, this guy was doing some dance moves and singing and following directions up on stage. >> it proofves that he is very

talented. he did seem to look thin. drew, i'm going to let you go. i think what we are going to do on the back side is -- who is going to be calling in? tell me again. we do have dr. sanjay gupta. we will be getting his take after watching this videos awell. drew, thanks so much for your help. by the way, not only are we going to be checking in with dr. sanjay gupta but we are also going to be checking in. there is the video, once again i think he looks thin, almost raily. we have just gotten two folks on twitter who say, he looks fantastic. so let's turn this into the national conversation it is. we are going to bring dr. sanjay gupta into the conversation. we are going to have that story and take you to afghanistan to find out what's going on there. we apologize for the technical snafu with that. as aforemntioned, more problems for the embattled governor of south carolina.

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while we wait for our own dr. sanjay gupta, obviously, we are changing the order of our newscast. we have a lot of things going on and some technical problems. the story that we had intended to lead this newscast with is probably the most important story for all americans. as interesting as the michael

jackson story is, this probably has more import, more significance. there is troubling news about american troops overseas today. today, we are told that a u.s. soldier in afghanistan is not at his base. instead, he is in the hands of the taliban. in fact, it is really worse. you know why? i have been reading about this group. i have found that this taliban group has direct ties to al qaeda and a particular part that is most lethal. let me ask this question. how did this soldier get off the base? you see that sketch there on the right? that's a war lord who may now be heading this abduction operation. heaven knows what he might do next. he doesn't have a good track record. joining me on the phone from afghanistan. are you there? >> yes, i am. >> this is the first american soldier taken since the war began in 2001, at least according to my recollection and my readings thus far today. what happened here?

it seems odd that i asoldier would walk off the base or somehow be taken off of a base, isn't it? >> it is absolutely odd. we are getting a little bit of information coming in from the u.s. military as well as taliban officials. we hear that the u.s. soldiers along with three afghan soldiers were captured and sold to this taliban group you were speaking of. it is a very dangerous taliban network, as most of them are but the hakanis are known to be brutal and powerful and known to operate in afghanistan and pakistan. it is thought he might have been send over to pakistan. they are trying to sale off that area to prevent his -- actually taking him to pakistan. it would be a harder mission to find him there. >> we don't know how, why he wondered off the base. if somebody had got on to the base to get him, somebody would

have seen that. so at this point, it doesn't -- do we know anything about his identity? do we know who he is and if he may have had any kind of reason that would have motivated him to walk off the base when no one was looking? >> right now, the u.s. military is being very, very careful with what information that they are leaking out. it could get the u.s. soldier into jeopardy if we did report too much information on his identity, on why he left the base on anything involved in his capture. >> we will leave it alone. i don't want to go there. these are obvious questions that all of us have. i also don't want to put this into a situation where we put him in harm's way. let me switch gears. at this time while you and i are talking about this, there is something going on that is being described as the largest air assault since the vietnam war. this is also by the way president obama's first major military operation against the taliban. listen to the numbers here.

4,000 marines and sailers are moving in to try and kick out the insurgents. the troops' plan is to hold these positions. i know that sounds bizarre. let me show you what i'm talking about. thanks, dan, for putting that up. let me go to the map and show you the area. i am circling the area. that's the helmand province. the problem is, in the past, we have gone in. same thing happened in iraq. we would take something like this but then after we would take it, what would we do? drawing the arrow in. i'm drawing the arrow out. we would leave. as soon as you leave, guess what? the guys we chased out, where are they going, over here into pakistan. what would they do when we left, they came back in. it was that cat and mouse game. you are here to give us whatever

amplification you can. this time, they want to go in and hold the position, correct? >> that's right. now, they have the manpower to do that. there was about 7,000 coalition troops in that province. they didn't have that manpower. now that the u.s. troops are there with this new influx, they have the manpower to take care of that. that's 7,000 coalition troops has now turned to over 13,000 in that region. that helps them to secure and hold the areas. that's aekexactly what they are trying to do. they are trying to prove to the afghan people that they will stay to build institutions and that there are better options than the taliban. >> that's important, i would think. back me up on this if you think i am right or if this seems to be the prevailing thought there. if you just go in with missiles and soldiers, you never really establish a base there and then you leave, you are seen by the people, the residents of that part of afghanistan as kind of a hit and miss operation.

they don't establish ties with you. they don't like you. they only see you as soldiers. if you go in and stay for a while an get to know the people there, then you are starting to win over hearts and minds. it seems to be that hearts and michb minds philosophy is part of this new strategy. >> it definitely is and it is going to be a very important part. it has been almost eight years since the war on terror in afghanistan has gun much the afghan people are losing trust in the coalition forces. they don't trust the taliban but at the same time, the taliban are playing a p.r. game. they are winning at the moment. right now, they have to build that trust with the afghan people, a trust they had in the beginning of the war. a trust that slowly faded. r right now, they have to build it back up. that's what the mission is intended to do at the moment. >> i'll tell you what, you are doing a great job. your there. your tough. you are in afghanistan following this force, bringing us up to

date. i want to tell you how much i thank you for being there to do that for us. >> thank you, rick. if you are just now getting home from work and you haven't seen this, this is it, the michael jackson video, not yet seen before. this was the last video of him performing on a show that many americans and many people all over the world would have eventually have seen, instead, he died two days later. con jay gup sanjay gupta is going to join us. as we go out, let's put the sound up and listen to it together. ♪

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what isn't precisely clear is when she actually took off. was it before governor sanford suggested that he is still in love with his mistress from argentina or after. then, we also have this bit of information that is just now coming in to us. governor sanford, cnn learned, is going to follow his wife down to florida with the intent of spending the fourth of july with the family. sanford supporters have said that his survival is inextricably linked with him being able to put his marriage together with the woman he was married to but probably in sultd when he told all of his world that his real soulmate was the lady in argentina. after his blockbuster remarks, is he being forced to chase the first lady and beg for some forgiveness? is there a political part to this story. let's put that question to candy crowley.

what a story. candy, what's going on here? >> well, we have some parallel universes going on here, sort of every which way. you have got the political reality that's going on and that is that most republicans in south carolina and quite a few democrats, obviously, just looking at the republicans, most of them have called publicly for mark sanford to resign. many of those are privately trying to keep the lines of communication open with him and trying to urge him to step down. what we got today from the statement from the governor's office is that he has no intention of stepping down, that what he wants to do is repair the damage he has done to his marriage and to restore the trust of the people of south carolina. >> so he is going to fight this thing. he is going to basically, you know, put that line in the sand and say, i'm not leaving but there is lindsey graham who i understand is the godfather of his children. is that right? >> yes, he is very close to the

stanford family, to both of them. >> here is lindsey graham talking about his good friend and governor. here is what he had to say. >> i hope that marcum reconcile with family. i will support him continuing in office if that's what he wants to do. the key for him personally and professionally is to reconcile with his family. i think most south carolina lynnians appreciate what he has tried to do as governor. he still, i think, has the ability to change our state for the better if he can reconcile with his family. that's my main concern. >> i heard him say three, i think it was four times there, because i was counting that if he wants to keep his job, he needs to reconcile with his family. go back to his wife on bended knee and make this thing work. right? or did i hear wrong? >> that seems to be what the senator was thinking. that was last weekend, the second time that senator graham said, look, i am the godfather

of one of the children. i am very close to this family. my first priority is to see this family repaired. i stand by him. i want him to continue as governor. then, what we had on earlier this week, i can't remember if it was tuesday or wednesday, we had this extraordinary interview with the "associated press" where he talked about his lover being his soulmate and trying to fall back in love with his life and revealing that there were more women. we haven't heard from lindsey graham since. we do know that he has spoken to governor sanford. listen. there is no doubt that there has been a growing wave of people in south carolina who want the governor to go. bh i talked to a source yesterday, they said, listen, he is defiant. they pointed it out and said, look, this is very much to type with mark sanford. they have pointed out to me that when he was in congress, if you go back and look, there were many votes that were, 433-1, in the house. the one was mark sanford. they point out when the stimulus

money came to south carolina, mark sanford, despite the fact that republicans and democrats wanted that upon any, stood his ground and said, i'm not going to take it. it is wa a very lonely battle. they think this is certainly according to type and what we see from this statement of the governor is he is not going. >> i'll tell you, it's been a while since we have seen something as interesting as this. then, again, there was that president, i think his middle name was jefferson, who was in a similar situation, fought this thing through and ended upkeeping hup keeping his job, right? >> absolutely. it was different because we did not have a very public open split between president clinton and the first lady, which we certainly do have with the sanfords. >> you are right. that does seem to make it a little bit different. he has a little bit of a save with the situation of michael

jackson. >> and the state law enforcement agency which was looking to end any ties between taxpayer money and these visits to the mistress came out and gave the governor a clean bill of health, finding no evidence that state money was spent for any of these visits. >> that certainly does work in his favor. we are going to continue to watch this. candy crowley, all over it. thanks for bringing us up to date. when we come back, we will be talking to dr. sanjay gupta. we had him. we lost him. when we come back, we will let him break down what he is able to see from this video. while we are talking about the video, why don't we show the video going to break. this is video that cnn originally had exclusive access to. this is video of michael jackson two days before his death. it is kind of ere to watch.

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let's bring in dr. sanjay gupta out in l.a. he has been following this situation. i believe moments ago he was able to watch this tape with us. are you there? >> i am here, yes, i am. >> did you see the video? i am going to ask you about his weight, his movements, anything that you saw on this that may make you think that -- remember -- i guess for those of you joining us, if i ask this question, this is the most recent video seen to date of him before he died. this was two days before he died. >> he is obviously very active here. he is moving all parts of his body well. he is singing. you know, it's one of those things, rick, where you are trying to piece something together. as a doctor, i am looking for the big things, his lung capacity, his heart being able to be that active. i don't know how long the rehearsal took. obviously, it's a physically exhausting experience and

someone who is having cardio or pulmonary problems might have a hard time doing that and the singing, being able to keep up with the dance moves. he looks pretty engaged. in a nutshell, this doesn't look like someone who is very sick to me, maybe not quite as brisk in terms of his movements as we are used to seeing him from years ago but not bad, rick. >> although, you know, maybe it's because i have been fighting weight all my life and i have a tendency to think it is kind of hard to be that thin. i know you are a svelt guy. i am going to use the word that most of the people have been using on twitter. he looks skinny. >> he is thin. no question about it. i think there are some reports on his weight. it is low, no question about it, especially for a guy, who i understand his height to be around 5'10". that's for sure. i think, you know are the bigger question, rick, which i think you are driving at, is what does

that mean? is he frail? when i think of a frail person, i think of someone who is having a hard time conducting activities of daily living, getting out of bed and doing the things they are supposed to do? it is hard for me to equate someone who is frail with someone who is able to get on stage and dance the way he is dancing and, again, be engaged. obviously, they have been rehearsing. you can tell by the rit mhythmi music between him and his dancers. he is thin but i don't know what to make of that, necessarily. >> let's put a punctuation on this thing. i watched you last night on larry king. when you put the fact that there are people coming out and saying that he was desperate for redescription dru redescription drugs and the dea confirmed they are going to be a part of this investigation, as a doctor, what's going on with you? what are you thinking that may have been going on with this

gentlemen? >> piecing this all together, looking at this video and trying to piece that all together. given that he looks, to me -- i don't want to read too much into it. looking tharkts he looks like he is active, he is able to move around okay. the reason that's important, rick, is because if you think of someone like this who has died two days later, you think the cause had to be some sort of sudden event shall as opposed to some sort of chronic event. he probably would have been sick two days before. he doesn't look that sick two days before. so what sorts of things caused sudden problems. we know the cardiac arrest. what can cause a cardiac arrest when someone has heart disease and they have been sick for some time. they would look different. that's when you start to think of a sudden electrical disturbance of the heart, what sort of things cause that, abnormalities in your electrolytes, drugs, as you have mentioned. the dea is investigating.

that's very high on my list. my thinking is something obviously wrong with his hart, they probably would have mentioned that. they didn't. that goes a lot lower on my list. that's sort of how i start thinking about something like this. >> it is almost the process of deduction. you take some of the things away and what you have got left, you go, him, uh-huh. i know it is you as an expert having the right to comment on some of these things. sanjay, as usually, you are the best. thanks for offering to get on the air and take us through this. we certainly appreciate it. >> thanks, man. >> welcome back, by the way. >> thanks, appreciate it. another one of my colleagues, larry king, is going to be standing by. i mentioned that i was watching sanjay and larry together last night. larry is doing something special tonight. he has unemcumbered access to

neverland ranch. tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. i called him e . he is going to be joining us. president obama uses his so-called coup to drop how go chavez in honduras. is he also backing the process of a lawmaker. look at these live pictures. this is now. this isn't a coup. this is people out there complaining about cnn and president obama. they like their new president and they don't like the guy there before. this is complicated. i'll take you through it.

i told you a little while ago that we had gotten this paper. this is interesting. imagine if you had done something that was somewhat unacceptable to your spouse, your husband or your wife. how would they react? this is how jenny sanford is reacting. i am going to read it to you. johnny, look over my shoulder. well read along together. this is jenny sanford's statement she us j the put out to the media. listen to this. there is no question that mark's behavior is enexcusable. actions have consequences and he will be dealing with those consequences for a long while. trust has been broken and will need to be rebuilt. again, this is jenny sanford talking about governor mark sanford of south carolina. mark will need to earn back that trust. first and foremost with his family and also with the people of south carolina. let me go to this other graph here that i was reading during a break. johnnie, are you picking this up here? i don't know if we have got video. mark showed a lack of judgment

in his recent actions as governor. however, his far more egregious were committed against god, the institution of marriage and family, our boys and me. he has stated he wants to save our marriage and can make amends to the people of the south carolina. i hope he can make good on those intentions. in that spirit of forgiveness, it is up to the people and elected officials to decide whether they will give mark another chance as well. interesting comment. just released moments ago from the first lady of the state of south carolina. and on and on it goes. let's talk about another story that i have been following being from this part of the world at one time. why are people in honduras holding signs critical of barack obama? this is an interesting story. these are protesters actually backing what the rest of the world is seeing as a coup in

their country. they are on the streets saying, no coup. we like what happened here. in other words, these folks are happy. their old president, manuel zelaya was kicked out. they disagree. they like the new guy. they want the old guy to stay out. here is opposite reaction. this is hondurans the other day when they heard the other guy had been kicked out. this is video from sunday when the president was kicked out by the supreme court. these are people that have taken to the street to protest. what gives here? what does president obama have to do with all of this. carl, let me begin with you on

this. we've got one group of hondurans who want the old president back. then, we have another group of hondurans who are protesting today who are saying we're glad he's gone, kick the bum out. whose voice is going to win out here? >> reporter: yeah. i think you've really got to look closely at the signs here. what we're seeing ostensibly is that two large groups of people are out there on the streets because today in tegucigalpa, there were many out there in support of manuel zelaya. the pictures you're referring to there, a lot of people? the city, if you look closely, a lot of these people are almost uniformed. they've got white t-shirts on. they're holding printed signs. this is not a spontaneous demonstration. >> ha. >> reporter: people are giving out t-shirts. people are giving out printed placards, and there, what the supporters in support of the ousted president say, is that these pro-interim government

protests are actually being organized by the true leaders. they say they're being organized by the business and political elites of this country and say a lot of these people are being forced to attend those marches under threat of being fired from their jobs if they don't go along, rick. that's why you have to look closely at what's going on in these two marches. >> i get that. oftentimes i know these things are orchestrated. my expert from the brookings institution, you know, this is an interesting story, and i'm going to try and explain this to most americans who are watching this right now because there are two things going on here. first of all, when president obama comes out and says this coup is wrong and that guy should be reinstated, he's really hurting hugo chavez and the rest of the leftist in latin america who would never have expected that kind of response from an american president. right? after all, the guy who got kicked out was a lefty himself. >> well, thank you, rick, for having me here.

it is a very murky situation all around. and there's very peculiar things happening. i think what president obama did was the right thing but also the smart thing. as you implied in your comments, president obama took away a very powerful weapon from hugo chavez. i think that by showing in a very unequivocal way that military coups are not to be accepted anymore in the americas, president obama is giving a very powerful message. >> okay. here's where i'm going to disagree with you. here's the problem with this, and you probably know it as well as i do. this guy was no saint. this guy zelaya was trying to keep himself in office on something that was extra-constitutional. and when the supreme court told him, sir, you can't do that and he was told that by one of his military officials, he fired that military official, just like nixon did with archibald

cox in this country and we criticized him. so, isn't president obama wrong to be tuting his arm around a guy who has done something illegal who, by the way, may have been gotten rid of legally? i mean, when we call this a coup, was this really a coup or was he just removed by the supreme court according to their constitution? >> i mean, there's -- make no mistake, i mean, there's plenty of blame to go around. and president zelaya is largely to blame for this political crisis. and yet the fact remains that, you know, sending in the military to deal with the guy is not the way to go. >> right. >> i mean, one would have expected that some kind of institutional procedure would have been set in motion. i mean, when nixon was doing -- it's very interesting that you mention nixon here because when richard nixon was doing nasty stuff to his opponents here in the u.s., nobody called the military to deal with the guy. >> right. >> there was a certain procedure -- >> maybe that's the difference

between our country and some of the countries where guys like you and i hailed from south of the border which, you know, we kind of envy. but nonetheless you think this is the might right move by secretary of state hillary clinton and president obama, because in the end he's kind of -- he's cut the legs off of hugo chavez, who you know would have been holding a news conference the very next day saying look at those yankees, they put the military up to this. right? >> i think it's very much the smart move because it marks a clean break with the past and we're talking here about, you know, a very troubled past in u.s./latin-american relations. and the history of u.s. meddling in latin-american politics is very controversial. and as you know well, it has not always come on the side of democracy. >> no. i get that. >> this is a very powerful -- >> i get that. the only thing is, and you and i talk about and as viewers are listening to this conversation

they probably get it as well, it's not cut-and-dried, man. this is not one of those things you say we know he's absolutely, resolutely right. there are some questions here coming from the right arguably and many are correct that he may not be taking on the right advocate here in this guy zelaya. we'll see how this plays out. thank you for taking time to take us through it. >> my pleasure. >> larry king will be joining me in just a little bit. the king! he said he was going to do a show from neverland and i knew it was going to be a big hit so, so i called him. there's something else i did last night that has to do with larry king. medicare benefit that may qualify you for a new power chair or scooter at little to no cost to you. stay tuned for this important medicare benefit information and free scooter guarantee. imagine... one scooter or power chair that could improve your mobility and your life. one medicare benefit that, with private insurance, may entitle you to pay little to nothing to own it.

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